Comments on: Hydrotechnix – HHO scams in the UK & Spain http://www.eco-scams.com/archives/695 Jon Starbuck's blog exposing pseudo-green nonsense, promoting science and critical thinking. Thu, 02 Feb 2012 20:56:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: James http://www.eco-scams.com/archives/695#comment-29542 James Wed, 01 Feb 2012 08:21:51 +0000 http://www.jonstarbuck.co.uk/archives/695#comment-29542 Jon, As i will be corresponding with Andre, Jon i hope that you may see that not all you don't believe in is a scam over time! Ian, I'm not sure what this Hyclone is but its far from HHO or Hydrogen, I'm sure. Where talking about a REAL fuel, scientifically proven and acknowledged as a fuel. As most people are using it as a fuel supplement, some do make claims of false m.p.g. improvements, which damages the credible validation of its true possibilities. So ease up on the slamming down of SCAM claims! Just so as everyone is aware of, I personally would not put forth as much effort as i have, nor would i continue to if i myself had not verified for myself that HHO is a useful and TRUE positive gain for extending the fuel that i have to pay for out of money that is hard earned. I'm in the poor bracket for income, and i have made NO income or profit from HHO. Yet in using HHO i have cut my fuel bill considerably even with gas prices increasing. I AM A SKEPTIC, IF I CAN'T SEE IT I DON'T BELIEVE IN IT. And i believe very little that i do see! So take that for what its worth!!!!!!!!!!! Jon,
As i will be corresponding with Andre, Jon i hope that you may see that not all you don’t believe in is a scam over time!
Ian,
I’m not sure what this Hyclone is but its far from HHO or Hydrogen, I’m sure. Where talking about a REAL fuel, scientifically proven and acknowledged as a fuel. As most people are using it as a fuel supplement, some do make claims of false m.p.g. improvements, which damages the credible validation of its true possibilities. So ease up on the slamming down of SCAM claims!

Just so as everyone is aware of, I personally would not put forth as much effort as i have, nor would i continue to if i myself had not verified for myself that HHO is a useful and TRUE positive gain for extending the fuel that i have to pay for out of money that is hard earned. I’m in the poor bracket for income, and i have made NO income or profit from HHO. Yet in using HHO i have cut my fuel bill considerably even with gas prices increasing. I AM A SKEPTIC, IF I CAN’T SEE IT I DON’T BELIEVE IN IT. And i believe very little that i do see!
So take that for what its worth!!!!!!!!!!!

]]> By: Ian http://www.eco-scams.com/archives/695#comment-29513 Ian Tue, 31 Jan 2012 23:24:06 +0000 http://www.jonstarbuck.co.uk/archives/695#comment-29513 I started a thread a few years ago regarding Hyclone on one of the Land Rover forums. The theory of swirling the airflow BEFORE the turbo !! Ha ha. Loads of people, who had already fitted one to their vehicle swore blind it worked.One guy claiming to have the fasted Landy in the UK - nothing to do with remap, altered gearing etc he had done - it waqs , in his words, all down to the Hyclone.Strange how when asked to test his vehicle on a rolling road both with and without the Hyclone, there was always an excuse.Until someone found out this particular guy was representing Hyclone!! No surprise there.Just a waste of time reading 26 pages . My point is this: How come not one single person can come forward and show credible proof of how any of these "fuel saving" gadgets actually work. "It works on my car" is not proof.Show me real, credible, scientific proof. Until then...........IT'S A SCAM ALL THE WAY !! Don't believe me or refuse to believe me ? Fine, just send me £50 in cash and I'll send you a box of tricks that will double you'r MPG. What's that ?? How does it work?? Well I'm sure I'll think of some way to make you understand how an empty box costing £50 works .Cos if you are gullible enough to think you can double mPG for just £50 then you'll also fall for any old BS explaining how it works (or doesn't). I started a thread a few years ago regarding Hyclone on one of the Land Rover forums. The theory of swirling the airflow BEFORE the turbo !! Ha ha.
Loads of people, who had already fitted one to their vehicle swore blind it worked.One guy claiming to have the fasted Landy in the UK – nothing to do with remap, altered gearing etc he had done – it waqs , in his words, all down to the Hyclone.Strange how when asked to test his vehicle on a rolling road both with and without the Hyclone, there was always an excuse.Until someone found out this particular guy was representing Hyclone!! No surprise there.Just a waste of time reading 26 pages .
My point is this:
How come not one single person can come forward and show credible proof of how any of these “fuel saving” gadgets actually work. “It works on my car” is not proof.Show me real, credible, scientific proof.
Until then………..IT’S A SCAM ALL THE WAY !!
Don’t believe me or refuse to believe me ? Fine, just send me £50 in cash and I’ll send you a box of tricks that will double you’r MPG. What’s that ?? How does it work?? Well I’m sure I’ll think of some way to make you understand how an empty box costing £50 works .Cos if you are gullible enough to think you can double mPG for just £50 then you’ll also fall for any old BS explaining how it works (or doesn’t).

]]> By: Andre http://www.eco-scams.com/archives/695#comment-29371 Andre Mon, 30 Jan 2012 03:52:04 +0000 http://www.jonstarbuck.co.uk/archives/695#comment-29371 Hey, everybody This blog has been quite interesting. I have laughed so hard I got a headache. Anyway, i'm going to add my two cents to the conversation. First off make no mistake about it I am a believer in Christ. I'm a minester and my faith in Jesus Christ is strong. That said, this fact alone flies in the face of science. I am also a truck driver, been one for 11yrs. Now I own my on truck and have always been looking for a way to improve my fuel economy. I dont think I live to far from James in georgia for I live on tennessee just across the stateline. I would love to take a look at what you have done and see what I can do to my 2004 c13 to improve it. Im not for or against hho, altough I hear alot about it jon, I understand your position on the matter. But I want to make my on determination on whether it work or not, not by science by practical use of it feel free to email me james or anyone who would like to converse with me andrewhiteside@gmail.com God bless Hey, everybody
This blog has been quite interesting. I have laughed so hard I got a headache. Anyway, i’m going to add my two cents to the conversation. First off make no mistake about it I am a believer in Christ. I’m a minester and my faith in Jesus Christ is strong. That said, this fact alone flies in the face of science. I am also a truck driver, been one for 11yrs. Now I own my on truck and have always been looking for a way to improve my fuel economy. I dont think I live to far from James in georgia for I live on tennessee just across the stateline. I would love to take a look at what you have done and see what I can do to my 2004 c13 to improve it. Im not for or against hho, altough I hear alot about it jon, I understand your position on the matter. But I want to make my on determination on whether it work or not, not by science by practical use of it feel free to email me james or anyone who would like to converse with me andrewhiteside@gmail.com God bless

]]> By: James http://www.eco-scams.com/archives/695#comment-28835 James Sat, 21 Jan 2012 08:30:27 +0000 http://www.jonstarbuck.co.uk/archives/695#comment-28835 I spoke to Richard Bird myself. I contacted him through his web site at ----------------------. He gave me some contact info for people in the U.S. He didn't seem to bad, to me. Sounds to me like your system may not be turned on. Have you checked for a switch or even a fuse? If your not the tech type have someone check it for power or loose connections as well... I spoke to Richard Bird myself. I contacted him through his web site at ———————-. He gave me some contact info for people in the U.S. He didn’t seem to bad, to me. Sounds to me like your system may not be turned on. Have you checked for a switch or even a fuse? If your not the tech type have someone check it for power or loose connections as well…

]]> By: Sarah http://www.eco-scams.com/archives/695#comment-28729 Sarah Thu, 19 Jan 2012 16:45:44 +0000 http://www.jonstarbuck.co.uk/archives/695#comment-28729 Hi I actually bought a VW Caddy van from Richard Bird, registered to his address above in Reading!! I bought it from him at his house in Spain 2 years ago. The van is fine, I have all the documents now leaglly in my name, and it has run well for 2 years! The thing is, the van had the Hydrotechnix hydrogen fuel system fitted, which he said he was using himself, but no longer needed the van, and promised it would save fuel. He said to top up the water every few weeks and this would be converted into Hydrogen! After 2 years the same amount of water is in the container that he put in, and as far as I can see the hydrogen system has never worked. I didn't worry too much about this, and meant to get around to calling him to take a look, but as the van ran ok, I never got around to this, and 2 years passed quickly. I was considering giving him a call now to ask if he still does techincal work, and to tell him that the system never worked, but both his numbers are now inactive. That's when I stumbled across this post! I am not sure if the above facts are true, or if his systems work, and I would be interested to get hold of him to see if he can help, or if anyone has had any more contact with him regarding this system. Anyway...I am happy with the van, and I didnt pay too much for it (even with it having this amazing fuel saving system fitted) so I dont feel that I was conned..... Sarah Hi
I actually bought a VW Caddy van from Richard Bird, registered to his address above in Reading!! I bought it from him at his house in Spain 2 years ago. The van is fine, I have all the documents now leaglly in my name, and it has run well for 2 years! The thing is, the van had the Hydrotechnix hydrogen fuel system fitted, which he said he was using himself, but no longer needed the van, and promised it would save fuel. He said to top up the water every few weeks and this would be converted into Hydrogen! After 2 years the same amount of water is in the container that he put in, and as far as I can see the hydrogen system has never worked. I didn’t worry too much about this, and meant to get around to calling him to take a look, but as the van ran ok, I never got around to this, and 2 years passed quickly. I was considering giving him a call now to ask if he still does techincal work, and to tell him that the system never worked, but both his numbers are now inactive. That’s when I stumbled across this post! I am not sure if the above facts are true, or if his systems work, and I would be interested to get hold of him to see if he can help, or if anyone has had any more contact with him regarding this system. Anyway…I am happy with the van, and I didnt pay too much for it (even with it having this amazing fuel saving system fitted) so I dont feel that I was conned…..
Sarah

]]> By: Jon http://www.eco-scams.com/archives/695#comment-28577 Jon Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:23:16 +0000 http://www.jonstarbuck.co.uk/archives/695#comment-28577 RE James answering Dave's question - James, can you cite one single study that backs up this nonsense? What you are saying makes no sense, in fact it is quite silly. If you search this site for "HydroGo" and then go to the comments section you will see some comments from a guy that understands emissions testing much better than me, go read what he has to say. RE James answering Dave’s question – James, can you cite one single study that backs up this nonsense? What you are saying makes no sense, in fact it is quite silly. If you search this site for “HydroGo” and then go to the comments section you will see some comments from a guy that understands emissions testing much better than me, go read what he has to say.

]]> By: Jon http://www.eco-scams.com/archives/695#comment-28575 Jon Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:17:22 +0000 http://www.jonstarbuck.co.uk/archives/695#comment-28575 I have no idea what comment you are talking about, I approve everything that is not spam. Then you go off on an irrelevant rant about what a nice guy you are, how nice for you. And then you accuse me of working for the "government" or having stock in oil. That is bizarre. You can see who I am. Google me if you want to find out more. Whereby you are "James" at 66.190.166.144 with no surname, no location, no email address.... And "who" set the laws of thermodynamics? No one, well other that God (if you are that way inclined). They just are. They just exist, they were not invented. They are like maths, 2+2=4, there is no getting around them or revising them, they are very solid facts. I have no idea what comment you are talking about, I approve everything that is not spam.
Then you go off on an irrelevant rant about what a nice guy you are, how nice for you.
And then you accuse me of working for the “government” or having stock in oil. That is bizarre. You can see who I am. Google me if you want to find out more. Whereby you are “James” at 66.190.166.144 with no surname, no location, no email address….
And “who” set the laws of thermodynamics? No one, well other that God (if you are that way inclined). They just are. They just exist, they were not invented. They are like maths, 2+2=4, there is no getting around them or revising them, they are very solid facts.

]]> By: James http://www.eco-scams.com/archives/695#comment-28563 James Tue, 17 Jan 2012 14:54:31 +0000 http://www.jonstarbuck.co.uk/archives/695#comment-28563 As to Dave's question if you care to find the truth! The claim of lowered co2, is true! As i said you may use a scanner or MODIS or equivalent to measure this yourself! Across the board the emissions drop. It takes a couple hundred miles for the computer system to adjust on most cars but HHO helps to burn less gasoline by burning it at a higher rate of efficiency for less consumption. You can also have an emissions test done before and after to prove this beyond any question !! You must drive said car a few hundred miles before the after test to adjust completely. JON, don't forget there's always more than one way to acquire the same results to something. But you have to be willing to find them. As to Dave’s question if you care to find the truth! The claim of lowered co2, is true! As i said you may use a scanner or MODIS or equivalent to measure this yourself! Across the board the emissions drop. It takes a couple hundred miles for the computer system to adjust on most cars but HHO helps to burn less gasoline by burning it at a higher rate of efficiency for less consumption.

You can also have an emissions test done before and after to prove this beyond any question !! You must drive said car a few hundred miles before the after test to adjust completely.

JON, don’t forget there’s always more than one way to acquire the same results to something. But you have to be willing to find them.

]]> By: James http://www.eco-scams.com/archives/695#comment-28559 James Tue, 17 Jan 2012 14:34:58 +0000 http://www.jonstarbuck.co.uk/archives/695#comment-28559 You only let what you feel like be posted ! YOU intentionally cover up the truth, YOU ARE THE CON MAN HERE. When i post something that's informative, you block it (while its being moderated) ! SO "scared" is what i feel you are of accepting and believing in something that is so wide spread. Is it because your afraid of being wrong? Or that your narcissistic. I'm like no other! But i seek what much of the world would like, Freedom! High gas prices corrupt government and the limitations set upon ourselves by people like you. If there's something that i can do to change the world, small or large and it's for the good of all, I WILL! Some people will take whatever they can from anyone they can, some of us give what we can! If i were to assess myself I'd say I'm a Good Samaritan! When someones broke down on the road, how many people stop to help, out of those who expects reward(or compensation)? When there's a wreck who stops to make sure all are okay, and not injured in need of help? HOW MANY of you just drive on by because you have something else to do or it doesn't concern you or some other reason that keeps you from being civil. I'm not a civil servant, nor anyone uncommonly special that I see, but I strive to do better and be better than the average. I seek higher education whether it be trials of life or other. WE as people did not get were we are by having YOUR type of thinking! You claim that I'm lying or dreaming when it comes to HHO! YOU claim that it breaks the laws of thermodynamics and physics! BIG QUESTION FOR YOU JON. Who set the laws of those? Men !! Same as you and I !! There's too much in this world and beyond that's unexplored and unknown to limit ourselves by your concepts. What are you the government or do you keep stock in oil? You only let what you feel like be posted ! YOU intentionally cover up the truth, YOU ARE THE CON MAN HERE. When i post something that’s informative, you block it (while its being moderated) ! SO “scared” is what i feel you are of accepting and believing in something that is so wide spread. Is it because your afraid of being wrong? Or that your narcissistic.
I’m like no other! But i seek what much of the world would like, Freedom! High gas prices corrupt government and the limitations set upon ourselves by people like you. If there’s something that i can do to change the world, small or large and it’s for the good of all, I WILL! Some people will take whatever they can from anyone they can, some of us give what we can! If i were to assess myself I’d say I’m a Good Samaritan! When someones broke down on the road, how many people stop to help, out of those who expects reward(or compensation)? When there’s a wreck who stops to make sure all are okay, and not injured in need of help? HOW MANY of you just drive on by because you have something else to do or it doesn’t concern you or some other reason that keeps you from being civil. I’m not a civil servant, nor anyone uncommonly special that I see, but I strive to do better and be better than the average.
I seek higher education whether it be trials of life or other. WE as people did not get were we are by having YOUR type of thinking! You claim that I’m lying or dreaming when it comes to HHO! YOU claim that it breaks the laws of thermodynamics and physics! BIG QUESTION FOR YOU JON. Who set the laws of those? Men !! Same as you and I !! There’s too much in this world and beyond that’s unexplored and unknown to limit ourselves by your concepts. What are you the government or do you keep stock in oil?

]]> By: Jon http://www.eco-scams.com/archives/695#comment-28507 Jon Mon, 16 Jan 2012 23:49:37 +0000 http://www.jonstarbuck.co.uk/archives/695#comment-28507 Scared? What? I don't understand. James, sentences help other people understand what it is that you are trying to communicate to them. Single words with no context and far too much punctuation, not so much. If Mike Allen Popular Mechanics is like me then it is because he understands how to test things properly, he has an education, a background in science and engineering, an understanding of the scientific method and an understanding of why it is so important what happens when it is not used.... Tell me James, who do you think you are like and why? Scared? What? I don’t understand. James, sentences help other people understand what it is that you are trying to communicate to them. Single words with no context and far too much punctuation, not so much.

If Mike Allen Popular Mechanics is like me then it is because he understands how to test things properly, he has an education, a background in science and engineering, an understanding of the scientific method and an understanding of why it is so important what happens when it is not used…. Tell me James, who do you think you are like and why?

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