Hydrotechnix - HHO scams in the UK & Spain
At www.hydrotechnix.com they promise to teach you the secret of saving up to 50% on your car’s fuel bill for a mere £1500 on a course they run in Spain. A barging if it were true, but it is not… it is another HHO run-your-car-on-water scam clone, complete nonsense.
They also manufacture some technical-looking hydrogen generators which cost a lot of money, unfortunately they won’t save you any fuel either because HHO fuel savers are a scam.
Hydrotechnix is Richard Bird of 40 Trelleck Road, Reading, Berkshire, RG1 6EN
Richard Bird also is something to do with http://www.partzone.co.uk/
Steve:
Hi Jon, Glad I stumbled accross your post. I am booked to go and do some training with richard next month. I have been fitting other fuel cells, with good results and went up to look at richards cells……..to be honest they do look good and he’s hgiving an unlimted mileage 2 year warranty with them. Could you tell me what you have based your statement on because I am now considering cancelling the training I’ve got booked this month! Would really appreciate a reply before I am parted from more of my hard earned cash!
31 January 2010, 10:10 amJon:
Hi Steve,
1 February 2010, 11:19 amIt is not Richard’s cells and course I have a problem specifically, it is the entire “industry / technology”; it is all bullshit. No matter how good or bad Richard’s cells and course are it makes no difference to the fact that is is all scientifically preposterous and a scam.
Please read my generic blog on the subject and then let me know if you still think you are having good results with your cells… because I assure you you are mistaken, it does not work, it cannot.
Steve:
HI Jon, Sorry I have taken a while to come back to you. After a few conversations with other people who have been on the hydrotechnix course I have decided not to go along on it!
5 February 2010, 5:29 pmBut with regards to results with other cells I can assure you that I have been getting good results in the majority of cases, 2 sepcifica cases i can quote: 2004 landrover discovery TD5 that is used for towing at all times was originally getting 390 miles to a full tank and is now getting 525 miles! 2003 VW transporter 2.5 swb, used as a leisure vehicle was getting 29 mpg and is now getting 34 mpg.
These figures have been measured over at least 1000 miles. Now if have had a few disappointments with no gain whatsoever but these have been vehicles that are fitted with a diesel particulate filter so the engine ecu is working against the change in exhaust gases. I have been professionally involved in engine remapping for several years and I am currently working on a fix for the vehicles with a DPF I’ll keep you posted if we manage to crack it!
Jon:
Steve,
5 February 2010, 9:11 pmSorry mate but you are mistaken, it does not work, there is another explanation for your “successes”, there is simply no way by which HHO could work. My Peugeot 106’s economy varies from 8mpl to 12mpl and I don’t change anything; it is entirely dependent on the road, the conditions and the driver. You will need to put your successes on a rolling road and remove the human from the experiment, unless you do this your results are utterly meaningless.
Are you aware of the $1,000,000 up for grabs by anyone who can show their HHO works? Why don’t you claim it?
You talk of “engine remapping “; what have you changed on the vehicles you claim a success on? Any use of an EFIE in conjunction with HHO also makes your experiment meanness as you are changing two parameters at once. EFIE’s work in that they do save fuel, however this is at the expense of torque and they make your vehicle’s emissions unreasonably high and illegal.
Dave:
Hi Jon,
9 February 2010, 10:11 pmRichard Bird only properly learnt about this technology a couple of years ago! I know a multitude of people who have been on his rip off training and got fobbed off with cheap certificates an everything else that goes with the training! This dry cell technology as been around for years and also dry cells are no good on European cars there output of hydrogen is far to high there made to for the American market and if it was true of what it did this would have been made into a multi-million pound business years ago. His training is a farce and half the stuff on his website is.
If he was so confident about this it would be a franchise making him millions but he knows by the way he is doing it that he can have no come backs once you hand over the money for the training you’ve been had!
I wonder why he doesn’t operate the training in England? Am i right by saying there are no such laws of trading standards in Spain for such a thing because if the training was done in the UK i’m pretty sure Mr Bird would be bankrupt and in a lot of trouble by now!!
Dave:
Hi Jon
10 February 2010, 5:05 pmMay i also had that he is false advertising with this quote: WE CAN CONVERT YOUR VEHICLE TO RUN ON HYDROGEN GAS OBTAINED FROM WATER. Thats what it says on the home page of the website and thats a completly untrue comment its stating that your vehicle runs off hydrogen alone and it does not!!
Ryan Wills - rwills@hotmail.com:
Hi, reading the above has made me chuckle a bit. This Jon guy seems a bit os a dick to be honest. He obviously has been confined to his house or something for a long time. Maybe his wife (if he has one) has got him stayng at home washing dishes and doing the ironing etc etc while she takes a huge black strap-on and rams him up the arse every night whilst watching noddy!. lol lol. Get out a bit, see the world and stop being a dick.
12 April 2010, 3:05 pmI have HHo running on my vehicle and I wouldnt drive without it now and yes it was one of Hydrotechnix’s installations.
I guess if you havent got one on your vehicle and never have the you cant be a in any position to judge weather it works or not.
So Jon stop being a dick and let them do their work. And keep getting that cock rammed up your arse I’m sure your loving it.
Ryan Wills - rwills@hotmail.com
Jon:
Ryan, you a amazing.
12 April 2010, 4:44 pmHow old are you? With your playground-logic and playground-humor I’d say you are way too young to drive. Your comment is homophobic, racist, misogynistic… you are a nasty bully… gosh, if I were 8-years-old and not a grown man I think I may start to cry :’(
I’d recommended you stop bunking double-science because that way, when you grow up, you can go to university and become a real scientist or an engineer.
I’m a busy man, run along and stop wasting my time, go get me some EVIDENCE that your magic-machine does what you say it does.
EB:
Reading Ryan’s post has made me chuckle a bit. That Ryan guy seems a bit of a dick to me. He obviously wouldn’t know real science if it attacked him in a dark alley with a proof gun. This is what always astounds me with these scammers (and let’s face it, Ryan must be one, why else the childish behaviour and lack of scientific proof to his “argument”) - they seem to have bypassed needing proof to make their scientific discoveries.
12 April 2010, 5:19 pmIf there were no scam then we would be in the prescence of a discovery outside the realms of science as we know it. It would be headline news! Long held scientific KNOWLEDGE would be found to be wrong. If there were no scam then “people” like Ryan would not need to resort to such banal, ridiculous behaviour as their proof would speak for itself. I am a mathematician with a strong scientific background and I do not need to try one of Hydrotechnix’s installations to know that it does not work - science tells me that.
mike:
Hi, can anyone shed any light on this company, http://www.hho4u.co.uk
They claim the following,
We have ‘CE’ approval for our products and are currently under evaluation for the legally required ‘E’ marking. This is European Commision legal requirement and is conducted by VCA or VCA approved test centres. As soon as we are approved we are then due to go to Milbrook Test Facility for our LEZ (Low Emmision Zone) accreditation.
We are also at present being evaluated by the newly formed HHO Trade Association, TAMA, with a view to being granted Premier Membership of the association. It seems TAMA are lobbying Government for legislation regarding the HHO industry as too many companies are making claims and promises that they don’t, won’t or can’t back up. Membership approval to TAMA will also allow us to display OFT (Office of Fair Trading) accreditation.
We undertake to do what ever is required by law and more to ensure that our customers are getting a product and service that performs as intended at all times and our upgrades and developments will be put through these same rigorous procedures.
If HHO doesn’t work, then how can they get all the above?
20 April 2010, 12:40 pmJon:
“If HHO doesn’t work, then how can they get all the above?”
20 April 2010, 2:55 pmMike, that is an easy one, because none of what they say is true, it is all lies.
Hho4u are on this blog here - http://www.eco-scams.com/archives/700
Christian:
I am glad to have found these interesting comments!
22 April 2010, 12:52 pmI live in The Costa del Sol and this place is full of scammers! I saw this HHO coarse advertised on ebay. The coarse ran from Malaga so I thought it would be a good idea to inquire. After speaking to Richard a few times I decided against doing the coarse as He “was in the process of getting the system homologated here in Spain”. This worried me as without proper Spanish certification the MOT, ITV centres would fail the vehicle if they knew this system was fitted. I know a lot about engines and it does seem a good idea, but without government approval it is not a legal business.
Glad I did not bother!
Also why have the struggling car companies not included this type of system to improve car sales?
Steve:
The site mentioned above hho4u.co.uk is simply two guys who did Richard Bird’s course in Spain and set themselves up over here in the UK
26 April 2010, 4:35 pmJohn Matthews:
Hi Jon Just like to say! That was the sweetest and most diplomatic reply given to that nasty manboy Ryan (willy) Wills, I have heard. I have rwiten this comment in joined up writing so he’cant read it.
13 May 2010, 3:20 amI’v seen a few of these clames from the likes of Hydrotechnix and allways thought that it was all bull shit now I know it’s true THANKS to you.
But what of Michael Strizki He do’s not clame to run his car on HHO but on hydrogen which he manufactures and colects? or the DLR Glider Antares,or the Fule Cell Boiler on offer from Callor Gas and others are these Bull Shit Too??
P.S F**K OFF Ryan and U Ritchard Bird U can go and PLUCK ur self
Sorry about that Jon but sometimes I get so
Fus $”!**(&)?% ATED
Mr Beef:
thanks for this information guys, I have been sent business plans and market information but I’m no mechanic I have yet parted with my cash so happy about that. I thought this would really work, but looks like this is a scam. Ashame really, I thought this all sounded to good to be true :O(
18 May 2010, 2:25 pmSimon:
Wow! I have just read all the heated comments on here. I probably have more experience of Richard Bird than any one. The man is a criminal. He broke into our business premises and stole from us. I believe that the Police are in the process of issuing a warrant for his arrest should he ever enter the country again. We paid £990 to him for the privilege of attending his training course, for a unit that didnt work and the rights to use all his written material. His units basically are crap and dont work. We have since spent nearly £100,000 adapting the unit and making it work. It is early days but our [advertising removed by Admin] unit has been fitted to a Ford Transit which is showing fuel economy savings of at least 30% over a sustained one month period. We are now seeking independent verification of this and will update anyone interested in due course. Richard Bird should be avoided at all costs!
18 May 2010, 3:44 pmSimon:
I think you guys need a bit of educating. Hydrogen does work and is the future. Mercedes have spent a fortune on research and are about to launch their first hydrogen hybrid car, the S Series. BMW similarly are lanuching the new 7 Series as a hydrogen hybrid car. Suzuki have designed a hydrogen hybrid motorbike, The technology does work. Designed and building a unit to work on existing vehicles has proved difficult because of the problem of dealing with the complexities and intelligence of many vehicle’s engine management systems. There is no doubt however that HHO does work and has done so in the States for years. Dont get me wrond Richard Bird’s doesnt work. All I am saying is dont tar everyone with the same brush. HHO4U have nothing to do with us but are to the best of my knowledge nothing to do with Richard Bird and should therefore be exempt from your attacks
20 May 2010, 12:48 amJon:
Simon,
20 May 2010, 1:14 amHHO is a scam. it has nothing to do with hydrogen engines which are a completely different technology.
HHO has been show many times to be nonsense, it has never been shown, in the US or anywhere, to work.
Please stop wasting my, and your, time with making statements that you cannot back up. to put it another way; show me any evidence whatsoever that HHo works or go away.
Jon.
Simon:
To run a successful blog you have to let it flow in which ever direction the bloggers take it. You cannot just get aggressive because someone has an alternative view to you.
20 May 2010, 6:03 amOur units do work, I personally have spent over £100,000 in the R and R of our units. We have a transit van which is showing fuel savings of between 28% and 32% and is currently undergoing the most rigorous of independent testing to prove that is the case.
The new Hydrogen engines run on exactly the same principle as our units, but then of course you know nothing about our units. Despite this you are happy to generalise and tar everyone with the Bird Brush!
You do tend to come across as very bigoted which is a pity because I am sure that underneath you are a reasonable intelligent person.
Jon:
Hi again Simon.
Your point about bloggig is received and understood. However I will not allow my blog to be spammed and hijacked by people talking rubbish and trying to draw me away from the point (that there is no evidence that this technology works because it cannot work).
You want us to critically examine your HHO machine? Then let us know where we can view information on it and I’ll start a new thread.
You can claim all you like that you have a working system, but until you provide people with actual evidence your word remains worthless. I have seen this a thousand times before, people claim that they evidence but they never show it.
I thought you may enjoy this article which came out today, sounds a LOT like your situation, only a year or two down the line.
20 May 2010, 7:36 pmhttp://www.eco-scams.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/oil-drum.pdf
Regards,
Jon.
fraser:
hi all, i am neither a learned guy, a scientist, an engineer or anything of that nature. pleased also to report that i am not a bigot, homophobe, racist or anything of THAT nature.
2 June 2010, 12:05 pmI am however old enough and long enough in the tooth to call a spade a spade and have enough ’smarts’ to know when to open my trap and when not to. with regard to the nastiness shown in this thread - i consider it to be a defensive reaction caused by the passionate belief in your side of the argument. i think everyone agrees that comments about strap ons and the like were a little ott - but then putting a blanket ‘ it does not and cannot work’ may not be as nasty but is just as narrow minded.
my own experience of hho stuff is that i have a mate who fitted it to his vw van and thus far results seem to be encouraging, i do take on board that an experiment should be done on a rolling road without a human involved.
i leave all the boffins and supposed scientists to answer me this though - despite all the laws of physics - a bee flies. all the brainiacs agree ‘ it shouldnt happen, it CANT WORK ‘ and yet i see loads of them every day buzzing about doing their thing.
I would extend this attitude to those who are totally convinced that hho wont work, keep an open mind and use that supposedly big brain to HELP MAKE it work, dont be a prisoner of your academic prowess…
Jon:
Hi Fraser,
2 June 2010, 5:32 pmThe thing is, bumblebees can fly, anyone can see that. Just like HHO, it is an urban myth that science can’t explain how bumblebees can fly. How they achieve flight is actually well understood. Find me one scientist that says that it is impossible. Here is a great article on this subject - http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1076/is-it-aerodynamically-impossible-for-bumblebees-to-fly
Wayne:
Has anyone chased up the testimonials on his website?
6 June 2010, 11:18 pmI’m supposed to be going in a week & would like to know if anyone has contacted the testimonials.
Jon:
Good luck with contacting those testimonials. They look to me to be way to vague to be contactable.
7 June 2010, 4:48 amAnyway, testimonials are meaningless, you should be looking for scientific data and you can be sure none of the HHO people have any of that.
Have a read of this - http://www.fuelsaving.info/testimonial.htm - Tony emplanes why testimonials are worthless very nicely.
Polyfemus:
Oh please save us from the non scientific inventor. This is just another scam in the same vein as the perpetual motion machines. Get it straight ‘HYDROGEN’ is a perfectly good power source when it has already been removed from water. Unfortunately it is still not costor energy effective when compared to petrol. The reason being that it is expensive to do the separation. It is only the ‘GREEN’ appeal that drives this source, and the rising cost of petrol. If it came into common use it would be taxed as petrol and the driving (no pun intended) would be lost. Now personally if some idiot wants lose £1500 that’s his business, it’s the criminal gainng from it that annoys me.
20 June 2010, 10:20 pmRichard Bird:
Hi Jon
24 July 2010, 6:23 pmI thought it was about time I answered some of the accusations you have levelled at me and my company. The course I run is £995 not (or ever has been) £1500. The address you give for me is my 93 year old mothers address in Reading. I live in Spain as you know, so please remove this listing. If you wish I can supply you with the correct address. Two people (one I know and one I do not) have stated that they have tried our units and they work in this blog. Your response is always ‘you are mistaken’. There are now 2.8 million people in the US alone running on HHO, and one failed ex Bio diesel author saying it cannot work. I wonder who is right? Who is mistaken? We have the most advanced units in the world and if they did not work then we would be in court every week with Trading Standards (who have never heard of us!). We are registered in the UK, have patents and registered designs in the UK and are subject to UK law. We offer a 30 day money back guarantee (which no one has ever asked for), 2 year warranty and we are the only company that have been approved Product and Public liability by Lloyds of London. I tried to take up the offer of $1000000 to prove this technology works. The offer has been withdrawn, which is a shame, the money would have been good for R & D. The company has been running for 5 years and prior to that we did LPG conversions (properly qualified). In that industry too there was the same ‘naysayers’ about that till it was approved by the government. Finally I’d like to set the record straight about Simon and has accusations. This person used to run the assembly and manufacturing of our units. Unfortunately they got greedy and wanted to take over the whole business. We had no choice but to remove all the stock and tools we had bought for them. Sour grapes indeed, £100000 on R&D (at which pub?) I have not committed any crime and come back to the UK every month for at least a week. My personal mobile number is 07771475653 which is live while I’m in the UK. I will be coming over on 29th July 2010 for 9 days should anyone want to talk to me (or arrest me, ha-ha!)
We are passionate about improving the environment, helping people save money and if we can make a living doing this that’s good too. I bear you, Simon or any other bloggers any malice and applauded free speech as long as it stays polite and you keep personal details off your site. The general public will take more notice if you do this also. You probably may not publish this but I personally feel better to get it off my chest. We hope you find work soon for the future.
Jon:
Richard, what are you talking about? This is pathetic. How old are you? You are resorting to petty nonsense name calling, suggesting that I am an unemployed failed author. So lame. Aren’t you supposed to be a entrepreneurial business man? Because you don’t act like one.
Interesting that you, just like every seller of snake oil, neatly avoid sidestep the one single most important point; that you have no evidence whatsoever that your product works, because it does not work, because it can’t work, because it is a scam. How about you respond to that?
And these happy customers of yours? Who are they?
25 July 2010, 12:11 am