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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Don&#8217;t Buy Solar Panels, Make Your Own!&#8221; Bullshit!</title>
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		<title>By: mgg</title>
		<link>http://www.eco-scams.com/archives/665#comment-24840</link>
		<dc:creator>mgg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 15:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just listening to this guy - its clear his claims are completely bogus.  I&#039;d like to see his panels after a hail storm.  Those cheap panels couldn&#039;t possibly generate a house worth of power.  Running meters backwards is illegal in most states (or they will not run backwards), you have to install a second meter that measures the back feed - and an automatic cut-off so your panels don&#039;t back feed into a dead power system.  The electronics required are not trivial and any so-called electrician knows all this.  Anyone that ACTUALLY had a working &quot;system&quot;, wouldn&#039;t have to spend 20 minutes feeding you bullshit about their system to sell it.  
RUN from this guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just listening to this guy &#8211; its clear his claims are completely bogus.  I&#8217;d like to see his panels after a hail storm.  Those cheap panels couldn&#8217;t possibly generate a house worth of power.  Running meters backwards is illegal in most states (or they will not run backwards), you have to install a second meter that measures the back feed &#8211; and an automatic cut-off so your panels don&#8217;t back feed into a dead power system.  The electronics required are not trivial and any so-called electrician knows all this.  Anyone that ACTUALLY had a working &#8220;system&#8221;, wouldn&#8217;t have to spend 20 minutes feeding you bullshit about their system to sell it.<br />
RUN from this guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Pictsidhe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pictsidhe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 00:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To add context, I wouldn&#039;t bother to make one as described in here in Wales, but Western Austalia is dry enough for them to work a good few years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To add context, I wouldn&#8217;t bother to make one as described in here in Wales, but Western Austalia is dry enough for them to work a good few years.</p>
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		<title>By: Pictsidhe</title>
		<link>http://www.eco-scams.com/archives/665#comment-15580</link>
		<dc:creator>Pictsidhe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 12:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This one will actually work, what you save in money you lose in quality, the panels won&#039;t last as long as commercial ones due to the poor environmental sealing and will produce slightly less power due the cells being more thermally insulated from the air than sealed commercial units.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This one will actually work, what you save in money you lose in quality, the panels won&#8217;t last as long as commercial ones due to the poor environmental sealing and will produce slightly less power due the cells being more thermally insulated from the air than sealed commercial units.</p>
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		<title>By: Caleb Sanchez</title>
		<link>http://www.eco-scams.com/archives/665#comment-14728</link>
		<dc:creator>Caleb Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 12:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Youe a jock, this is not a scam my friend. Mysolarplans does not have anything too do with GreenDIYenenergy or Earth4energy. They are thier own company</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Youe a jock, this is not a scam my friend. Mysolarplans does not have anything too do with GreenDIYenenergy or Earth4energy. They are thier own company</p>
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		<title>By: Ample Energy</title>
		<link>http://www.eco-scams.com/archives/665#comment-13725</link>
		<dc:creator>Ample Energy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2011 11:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Electricity from solar thermal collectors can any one tell me how?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Electricity from solar thermal collectors can any one tell me how?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Beaudoin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Beaudoin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2010 06:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simple math: decent solar cells cost at least $10 per watt. I don&#039;t know where this guy gets them for less but to make a decent 70 watt panel should cost at least $700. If he is genuinely spending only $120 then the quality is crap. Like everything else, you get what you pay for. Solar panels need to be out in the sun, rain, snow, wind, whatever for 10 years or more in order to make them worthwhile. Trying to do it on the cheap will only cost you more in the long run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simple math: decent solar cells cost at least $10 per watt. I don&#8217;t know where this guy gets them for less but to make a decent 70 watt panel should cost at least $700. If he is genuinely spending only $120 then the quality is crap. Like everything else, you get what you pay for. Solar panels need to be out in the sun, rain, snow, wind, whatever for 10 years or more in order to make them worthwhile. Trying to do it on the cheap will only cost you more in the long run.</p>
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		<title>By: Nunya Farken</title>
		<link>http://www.eco-scams.com/archives/665#comment-8053</link>
		<dc:creator>Nunya Farken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 01:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a simple test on this shite scam.

First, calculate the cost of building your DIY solar system.

Next, install and run the system, measure how much commercial power you save per week, month, whatever.

Next, calculate how many years it will take for the power  &quot;saved&quot; to equal the cost of your instaled system.

You will be wearing a grey beard long before you recover the cost of your system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a simple test on this shite scam.</p>
<p>First, calculate the cost of building your DIY solar system.</p>
<p>Next, install and run the system, measure how much commercial power you save per week, month, whatever.</p>
<p>Next, calculate how many years it will take for the power  &#8220;saved&#8221; to equal the cost of your instaled system.</p>
<p>You will be wearing a grey beard long before you recover the cost of your system.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Zach&lt;/strong&gt;

You could buy cheap low quality solar cells on the Internet (but this is not buying them at your local hardware store as the website claims) and solder them together to make a crap and inefficient solar electric panels if you like... no need to buy the ebook, you you can find videos on how to do all of this on Youtube for free. 

The system you would make is not comparable to a proper solar system worth $25,000 (as is clearly claimed on the website) and I don&#039;t see how it is not going to save you one penny on your electricity bill.

An analogy may be that you can&#039;t make a Lamborghini from a ride-on lawn mower, just because it has an engine and four wheels does not make it the same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Zach</strong></p>
<p>You could buy cheap low quality solar cells on the Internet (but this is not buying them at your local hardware store as the website claims) and solder them together to make a crap and inefficient solar electric panels if you like&#8230; no need to buy the ebook, you you can find videos on how to do all of this on Youtube for free. </p>
<p>The system you would make is not comparable to a proper solar system worth $25,000 (as is clearly claimed on the website) and I don&#8217;t see how it is not going to save you one penny on your electricity bill.</p>
<p>An analogy may be that you can&#8217;t make a Lamborghini from a ride-on lawn mower, just because it has an engine and four wheels does not make it the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: zach</title>
		<link>http://www.eco-scams.com/archives/665#comment-7583</link>
		<dc:creator>zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to take issue with this post.  I&#039;ve personally purchased and used the guide from greendiyenergy, and it is actually legit.  You get videos that follow the host as he makes his own solar panel, and he walks you through the whole process.  Most of the stuff you can get at the hardware store, but you do have to buy photovoltaic cells online or at a specialty store, but it&#039;s not a big deal.  They&#039;re cheap online.
  
You&#039;re right about it not being comparable to a system costing $25,000 or whatever, but green diy never claims that.  they show you how to build 1 large solar panel for about $150, and you can build as many of them as you want.
You won&#039;t eliminate your energy bill, but you will cut a percent out of it.

Before you blast this product, you should probably evaluate it yourself instead of making assumptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to take issue with this post.  I&#8217;ve personally purchased and used the guide from greendiyenergy, and it is actually legit.  You get videos that follow the host as he makes his own solar panel, and he walks you through the whole process.  Most of the stuff you can get at the hardware store, but you do have to buy photovoltaic cells online or at a specialty store, but it&#8217;s not a big deal.  They&#8217;re cheap online.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right about it not being comparable to a system costing $25,000 or whatever, but green diy never claims that.  they show you how to build 1 large solar panel for about $150, and you can build as many of them as you want.<br />
You won&#8217;t eliminate your energy bill, but you will cut a percent out of it.</p>
<p>Before you blast this product, you should probably evaluate it yourself instead of making assumptions.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 03:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the info. I HATE SCAMS!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info. I HATE SCAMS!!!!!!</p>
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