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	<title>Comments on: The Hydrocharger, HHO scammers in the UK</title>
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	<description>Jon Starbuck's blog debunking and exposing all things pseudo-green.</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 09:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 05:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have not "made my mind up", I have simply weighed up the available evidence in favour of HHO (ie none, beyond anecdote) against the available evidence against HHO (an enormous amount) and concluded it is preposterous nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not &#8220;made my mind up&#8221;, I have simply weighed up the available evidence in favour of HHO (ie none, beyond anecdote) against the available evidence against HHO (an enormous amount) and concluded it is preposterous nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.eco-scams.com/archives/658#comment-8736</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 09:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Jon has made his mind up, and no seems to be able to convinve him otherwise that maybe, just maybe, HHO could work with ecu's configured correctly, etc,etc. It seems some have done this in the USA, where their ecu's are far less dictatorial than euro ecu's. Yes, we all know the Prendergasts are conmen and scammers, that doesn't mean from now on, all HHO units the world over are all rubbish. Someone will, if they haven't all ready, perfect these to work in at least some cars if not all. I thank Jon for this site to have a moan at the Prendergasts and compare notes with other similar guys, but, you just can't slam the door on all HHO now and forever more. That's not fair or realistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Jon has made his mind up, and no seems to be able to convinve him otherwise that maybe, just maybe, HHO could work with ecu&#8217;s configured correctly, etc,etc. It seems some have done this in the USA, where their ecu&#8217;s are far less dictatorial than euro ecu&#8217;s. Yes, we all know the Prendergasts are conmen and scammers, that doesn&#8217;t mean from now on, all HHO units the world over are all rubbish. Someone will, if they haven&#8217;t all ready, perfect these to work in at least some cars if not all. I thank Jon for this site to have a moan at the Prendergasts and compare notes with other similar guys, but, you just can&#8217;t slam the door on all HHO now and forever more. That&#8217;s not fair or realistic.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.eco-scams.com/archives/658#comment-8610</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 08:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are no credible HHO makers out there, one system may be better than another, but they all don't save any fuel. Show me evidence to the contrary, please, I have never seen any whatsoever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are no credible HHO makers out there, one system may be better than another, but they all don&#8217;t save any fuel. Show me evidence to the contrary, please, I have never seen any whatsoever.</p>
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		<title>By: jonjo</title>
		<link>http://www.eco-scams.com/archives/658#comment-8534</link>
		<dc:creator>jonjo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 03:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Listen guys, I don't know if any hho system works effectively, but what I do know is it is possible providing the engine management system is reconfiguerd and the alternator boosted.  After al we do know that "Browns gas" is reality and not fictional, and we do know that it is produced by sending electrical charges through water.
The technology is available and plausable, to introduce hydrogen into the air intake will effectively produce a more efficient and cleaner performance.  This system has been perfected in the U.S. and seems satisfactory and does cut fuel costs providing all the other parrameters are met i,e, engine management mods.
Therefore I think is is unwise to label all the hho providers as scam artists, (although I agree the majority probably are) there are genuine suppliers out there, its just a case of knowing where.
Try not to be so pessemistic, I'm sure you could made a hho system yourself and find a mechanic or auto elec to make the necessary mods to the engine management system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listen guys, I don&#8217;t know if any hho system works effectively, but what I do know is it is possible providing the engine management system is reconfiguerd and the alternator boosted.  After al we do know that &#8220;Browns gas&#8221; is reality and not fictional, and we do know that it is produced by sending electrical charges through water.<br />
The technology is available and plausable, to introduce hydrogen into the air intake will effectively produce a more efficient and cleaner performance.  This system has been perfected in the U.S. and seems satisfactory and does cut fuel costs providing all the other parrameters are met i,e, engine management mods.<br />
Therefore I think is is unwise to label all the hho providers as scam artists, (although I agree the majority probably are) there are genuine suppliers out there, its just a case of knowing where.<br />
Try not to be so pessemistic, I&#8217;m sure you could made a hho system yourself and find a mechanic or auto elec to make the necessary mods to the engine management system.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.eco-scams.com/archives/658#comment-8004</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 13:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nonsense. Obviously it is me that is not being clear; no HHO machines will save you any fuel, none of them. 
Why would some work and some not work? They all do the same thing. 
And the ones that you say do work, where does this extra energy come from? 
I assure you, no matter how much you believe that your HHO machines work, submit your vans to scientific testing and you will find that you are wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nonsense. Obviously it is me that is not being clear; no HHO machines will save you any fuel, none of them.<br />
Why would some work and some not work? They all do the same thing.<br />
And the ones that you say do work, where does this extra energy come from?<br />
I assure you, no matter how much you believe that your HHO machines work, submit your vans to scientific testing and you will find that you are wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: flyingdoc</title>
		<link>http://www.eco-scams.com/archives/658#comment-8001</link>
		<dc:creator>flyingdoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 09:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HI, Lets get clear on hho ,there are people who make hho scam units that dont work, there are hho units that do work, if your serious about this tech do plenty of research..! I use hho units on both my vans, made them myself. Some marketed units are a pile of crap. NOT all of them are. ps i sell nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HI, Lets get clear on hho ,there are people who make hho scam units that dont work, there are hho units that do work, if your serious about this tech do plenty of research..! I use hho units on both my vans, made them myself. Some marketed units are a pile of crap. NOT all of them are. ps i sell nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Annon</title>
		<link>http://www.eco-scams.com/archives/658#comment-7934</link>
		<dc:creator>Annon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 21:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who knows Jon .. Who knows.. I was simply making the point that we only have the right to throw stones or bolders as Hydroman put it if we are whiter than white. I also wonder if Sam is still in business and to be honest after all the shit shes has thrown at her if she still is then it takes a lot of balls. I know there are loads of similar companies springing up all over the world and wonder why there are more people backing it than there is dissing it.. Just my thoughts. I have only found a handful of people who take issue with the systems as aposed to those who are enjoying them. I haven't tried one yet but I intend to, just don't know who to go with thats all. You say jon you have seen a system of sams that didn't work??? Is that one she sent you or one from Hydroman??? just asking!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who knows Jon .. Who knows.. I was simply making the point that we only have the right to throw stones or bolders as Hydroman put it if we are whiter than white. I also wonder if Sam is still in business and to be honest after all the shit shes has thrown at her if she still is then it takes a lot of balls. I know there are loads of similar companies springing up all over the world and wonder why there are more people backing it than there is dissing it.. Just my thoughts. I have only found a handful of people who take issue with the systems as aposed to those who are enjoying them. I haven&#8217;t tried one yet but I intend to, just don&#8217;t know who to go with thats all. You say jon you have seen a system of sams that didn&#8217;t work??? Is that one she sent you or one from Hydroman??? just asking!</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.eco-scams.com/archives/658#comment-7919</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 22:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has been six-months since Sam told us all she was going to send through proof that her system works, meanwhile I have seen with my own eyes a system of hers which did not work and which she would not give a refund for. I wonder if she even still in business? What a crock of shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has been six-months since Sam told us all she was going to send through proof that her system works, meanwhile I have seen with my own eyes a system of hers which did not work and which she would not give a refund for. I wonder if she even still in business? What a crock of shit.</p>
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		<title>By: Annon</title>
		<link>http://www.eco-scams.com/archives/658#comment-7918</link>
		<dc:creator>Annon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 22:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have checked out what you have said Hydroman and I have looked into the CCJ's against them and I wonder why you would be suing for £9000. I would never part with that kind of money until I was happy with the company. I have heard on the grapevine though that you only spent around £3000 with them and that you are claiming the extra £6000 for out of pocket expenses??????? I can't remeber the date of the course the people I remeber where you, I think Roger or Rob and I am sure there was a Steve its a long time ago now though. I just think that all companies at some point get bad press but I also think those who kiss and tell should be whiter than white if you get my drift. I am not sure what the prendergasts are upto but they have gone very very quiet.. Maybe they have got fed up of witches around the coldrun pots!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have checked out what you have said Hydroman and I have looked into the CCJ&#8217;s against them and I wonder why you would be suing for £9000. I would never part with that kind of money until I was happy with the company. I have heard on the grapevine though that you only spent around £3000 with them and that you are claiming the extra £6000 for out of pocket expenses??????? I can&#8217;t remeber the date of the course the people I remeber where you, I think Roger or Rob and I am sure there was a Steve its a long time ago now though. I just think that all companies at some point get bad press but I also think those who kiss and tell should be whiter than white if you get my drift. I am not sure what the prendergasts are upto but they have gone very very quiet.. Maybe they have got fed up of witches around the coldrun pots!</p>
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		<title>By: Hydroman</title>
		<link>http://www.eco-scams.com/archives/658#comment-7839</link>
		<dc:creator>Hydroman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 13:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Annon,I can`t say as i remember you as i have not personaly run any training courses.i have only instructed three people in the Southwest and that was when it first became clear that there were big problems looming with the Pretendergast`s.I was present at a training course in London but that was not to do with me.Had you been personaly involved with me at some time and had requested money back then we would have sorted this problem out.I am not sure you have the right Dave here as i have never talked any crap regarding the subject in question,i may be guilty of passing on information that i thought to be correct or relevant at a given time but that is all.As for throwing stones as you put it,i am not.I am hurling bloody great rocks in my attempt to try to expose this issue regarding the Pretedergast`s,it has been them that have been doing the conning!It seems that i am one of the few that have actualy tried to get redress via the courts regarding the Water4gas conn i only wish more people like yourself would step out of the woodwork and give a hand.Please let me know the place you attended your course.Should you wish to then please get in touch via the admin.Regards Hydroman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Annon,I can`t say as i remember you as i have not personaly run any training courses.i have only instructed three people in the Southwest and that was when it first became clear that there were big problems looming with the Pretendergast`s.I was present at a training course in London but that was not to do with me.Had you been personaly involved with me at some time and had requested money back then we would have sorted this problem out.I am not sure you have the right Dave here as i have never talked any crap regarding the subject in question,i may be guilty of passing on information that i thought to be correct or relevant at a given time but that is all.As for throwing stones as you put it,i am not.I am hurling bloody great rocks in my attempt to try to expose this issue regarding the Pretedergast`s,it has been them that have been doing the conning!It seems that i am one of the few that have actualy tried to get redress via the courts regarding the Water4gas conn i only wish more people like yourself would step out of the woodwork and give a hand.Please let me know the place you attended your course.Should you wish to then please get in touch via the admin.Regards Hydroman.</p>
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